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Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:21:00 -
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Lets face it T2 BPO was a huge mistake and everyday they remain in game is proof that EVE is unfair and that players/corps that are CCP pets will continue to be given unfair advantages to keep them ahead in game. CCP will never shed it's corrupt small game developer image untill it cleans up it's gameplay and stops dishing out prizes to friends of the company that give them massive advantages in game. Remove T2 BPO make eve an even playing field.
I've known at least 2 people in RL that stopped playing EVE as a direct result of T2 BPO's. Why would they want to play a game where some chosen player gets to mis an entire step of gameplay? T2 BPO is the reason I would never touch manufacture with a barge pole. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:40:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:Ting Mei wrote:Why not re-introduce T2 BPO in the game, and change the Invention principe ?
Invention could be for example be use to ME and PE instead of just waiting time ...
Invention makes research on a BPO, with a % of luck as today
Don't know ... but this T2 BPO situation is really unfair in my opinion. is it unfair that someone has 150mil sp and you only have 2mil? is it unfair that someone has a state raven and you only have a navy one? is it unfair that someone has worked in game for isk to buy a t2 bpo and ccp removes all the time and effort? T2bpo's arnt unfair in todays industry landscape, there is much profit to be made from invention as long as you are not inventing t2 armour plates or other equally ****** mods. if you really want a t2bpo you can buy one, like most of tehe current holders have. some are dirt cheap, some are expensive. imo buff the ****** mods, make them worth building... oh and the eagle, that needs looking at.
Shut up, please. Nothing of what you said made any relevence to gifted items.
Most T2 were given out by CCP to select players in ''lottery'' that was rigged. Yes some of the lottery were fair and others not. Alongside this CCP also handed out T2 BPO as drops or just plain straight into players assets. THIS is F'ing unfair.
The BPO's should be removed from game and the player owning it reinbursd the lottery research points that BPO cost. EVE is rigged it's not an even game.
I do hope Sony Reps catch wind of stuff like this and know exactly the type of company CCP is. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:21:00 -
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Yes the figures released for T2BPO just make me rage even further think there are people out there making 80% of the market at zero effort all from knowing a CCP dev when the game was even more corrupt than it is now. 80% of the market for all those years to fund an allince that fights in a bullcrap war that CCP decides who wins by the massive isk dumps they give through T2BPO. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:45:00 -
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Cool an unlocked thread.
Q A) What are T2BPO?
T2BPO stands for Tech Two Blueprint Original. They are in game items that allow the creation of TECH II items with out the need for an invention process
Where did they come from?
They were seeded into the game in a variety of ways
1. They were dropped by Rats in certain systems. Many deemed this unfair and pointed to the fact that CCP were intentionally aiming drops at particularly alliances/corps by generating the drop in their space
2. They were given out in a lottery that required research points as tickets. Many deemed this unfair as it gave those with far larger banks of research point ie older players a distinct advantage. Information about the workings of the lottery were also released to key players. This information was regarding the amount of BPO's in each individual lottery and how many tickets were participating. This gave key players insight into which lottery to enter giving them far greater chances of obtaining T2BPO's. Some even rumour that the lottery was in no way random and that CCP employee's simply chose which players to gift BPO's
3. They were simply handed as assets in secret to certain players by CCP
4. An incident where non authorised handing of T2 BPO to a player from a CCP employee occurred. These BPO's were recovered but not after several EVE players were sanctioned for bringing the incident to light. (Discussing Bans is bannable, so I best not go into this too much less I get banned). Simply put CCP's behaviour over the incident could be described disgusting at best
Q B) Who owns them?
1. Players that obtained items as stated above
2. Players who have WORKED for them by other means and purchased them from players who were gifted them using ISK
3. Players who purchased them illegally using RMT
4. Players who ganked them out of ships or stole them from corp while unlocked
Q C) Why are there calls to remove them?
1. They were seeded and distributed into the game unfairly
2. Figures have been released by CCP revealing the extent of the wealth they can generate at little effort
3. They can be locked in corp hangers and still used but not stolen unless through a corp vote they are unlocked. (makes zero sense if the item is locked it should not be able to be used.)
4. In many cases the invention process can not compete with the BPO but this does vary from item to item
5. They never expire and have unlimited runs
Q D) How should they be removed?
1. Immediately by returning spent RP and taking the BPO out of game
2. If owning player paid ISK for them the trade should be reverted and ISK returned while original owner is reimbursed with research points
Q E) How will TECH II be produced after removal?
By invention process which allows fair competition
Q F) Anything else that should be known?
1. Some T2BPO are not profitable due to limited demand for the produced item.
2. Some T2 items do not have a T2BPO but require invention as sole creator
3. Burning copies of T2BPO reqs items as well as time and copying costs
4. The % of the market the BPO covers varies immensely between items
5. The retail cost of the BPO's vary immensely between items.
6. Read other posts |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.04.09 20:41:00 -
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The owner of T2BPO can get over 50Billion isk in retail value alone and that is before even producing a single item. For sure some of the BPO's are not worth that but many are. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:17:00 -
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T2BPO is living proof that success in EVE online has more to do with who you know than what you do. As long as certain players/corps keep getting gifted bonus items such as T2BPO CCP will never be able to claim this game a true sand box.
If CCP ever wants to shake of it's shady image and let eve flourish it will have to remove T2BPO. So why prolong the inevitable? They should never have been introduced and there have been plenty of oppertunity for their removal.
As disucussed the fairest way is removal and compensation in the form of Research points spent on them. If bought reverse transaction and compensate original owner. Apply negative wallets where needs be. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:28:00 -
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If T2BPO were a ship it would have 100% resistance, be able to deal dread DPS while tracking frigs and having the speed of an interceptor.
''OK for sure but it can only target one ship at a time while inventors ships can target several.'' -Typical T2BPO supporter comment if BPO's were ships.
This is a good comparison to let PVP players know how over powered and in need of removal T2BPO's are and the defence T2BPO supporters give about invention being able to run multiple manufacturing runs at once. T2BPO needs removed/nerfed worse than the Dramiel ever did. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:20:00 -
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Yet again people who talk about ROI on T2BPO are idiots the ROI is instant T2BPO cost the owners nothing but RP and are worth billions of ISK. The ROI on T2BPO is instant and astronomical in account for the retaliative cost of RP. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:33:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:
Good luck explaining that to someone who doesn't understand what opportunity cost is.
I am fairly certain, that Brewlar Kuvakei doesnt even read any of these posts:p This is his Crusade against his worst Enemy, the T2 BPO. All he does is spamming a more or less meaningless post after a certain ammount of time, not as a reaction of previous posts. Honestly I read his half way, and read yours to the end but your argument is still invalid I.E. has nothing to do with "The importance" Your argument is truly invalid as you are incapable of seeing all sides of the coin, perhaps pretend to look for public sake.
All of Haulie Berry's comments go along the lines of ''your an idiot, I'm here to provide no context in the defence of T2BPO's your an idiot I'm right.''
Apart from Akita who does produce many valid points on T2BPO and invention which I enjoy discussing the majority of T2BPO supporters offer nothing but personal slander and insults.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:27:00 -
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Haulie Berry interceptors are common ships that invention where invention is raped by the OP T2BPO. I all ready said this too you. |
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Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:07:00 -
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Lara Dantreb wrote:[
- Are T2 bpo overpowered ? No. It's huge investment and high-end items for the high-end industrialist only. Don't try to get one if you don't have at least 100 Bil to invest.
It's not a huge investment if you got given one by CCP for nothing or 'Won' a BPO in a 'Lottery'. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:14:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lara Dantreb wrote:[
- Are T2 bpo overpowered ? No. It's huge investment and high-end items for the high-end industrialist only. Don't try to get one if you don't have at least 100 Bil to invest. It's not a huge investment if you got given one by CCP for nothing or 'Won' a BPO in a 'Lottery'. Zero people who were given BPOs by a CCP employee still have them today, so I'm not sure why you keep clinging to that assertion like it's a security blanket. I will assume it's for lack of anything relevant to say. Also, in point of fact, it WAS a huge investment (of time) to win them in the lottery. Still waiting to hear which items would become attractive to invent if it weren't for BPOs. As previously noted, interceptors would not become attractive options, so please try again.
For the third time interceptors and yes you forgot to mention the special events where CCP gave out T2BPO's ie the mining ones. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:19:00 -
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sodney wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lara Dantreb wrote:[
- Are T2 bpo overpowered ? No. It's huge investment and high-end items for the high-end industrialist only. Don't try to get one if you don't have at least 100 Bil to invest. It's not a huge investment if you got given one by CCP for nothing or 'Won' a BPO in a 'Lottery'. Are you ever gona drop this realy reeaaaaly dumb argument? When people don`t aggree with you, it`s not necesarry because you didnt spam the same crap not often enough. a lottery is 100% random aka 100% fair. If you say CCP did cheat in these lotteries, bring evidences already or dont bring that topic.
A lottery is not 100% random if the details of it's prize structure and ticket numbers are known. I'm not going to be your own private eve wiki or google but I suggest you go review the lottery to find out how people were able to rapidly increasce their 'chance' of winning a T2bpo, primarly being mailed ticket numbers by guess who a ccp employee. By Ticket numbers I mean how many were in each lottery and how many BPO's were on offer.
Anyone who says T2BPO were introduced fairly or in an legit fashion is detached from reality, remove them. |
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